Neato, great stuff Shonner. Is this Huey, Looey of Dooey? Cann't remember their names from Running Silent. I did not realise the actual models were that detailed. Sorry, for the other collapsed shader branch I just used one of Litst' Aluminum Shaders. Just copy one of the metallic ones from C4. Thanks for the response Eric. WooHoo, much to look forward to. Andrew.