If everybody scrubbed the toilet after they used it, and brought their own paper supplies, then companies wouldn't need to charge that quarter for a public toilet, would they? I'm thinking that if people had to pay for each membership account, then the number of clones would drop. This would help deal with HOT20/AOM votes and gallery trolls and people who keep coming back no matter how often they are shown the door. Something like $10/account name might be reasonable. If you keep one name over 5 years it is peanuts, but if you and your 20 clones are trying to disrupt the forum, it might be enough of a hurdle. Carolly