Sean, in case you didn't already know, you can use procedural textures on the background (yes, on the background, as if it's a prop) in P5/P6 to create gradient and patterned backgrounds that remind me of the ones you've created for many of your "littlest" renders. :-) Just a thought that might make playing around in P6 worth some of your time. DL Ajax's procedurals from FreeStuff here ... they include some background gradients that illustrate what I mean. Otherwise, yeah, nice to read about someone's choice to continue using version 4 that isn't based on monetary resentments or P5-release resentments. Although I'm happily married to P6 now, I thought P4/PP rocked the entire time I used it.