Wow! I Have GOT to try that, and you bet I will be doing so right away. In all honesty, I've been slightly dissapointed every now and then with some of the water materials, in that I can never get them to be so shiny. So thanks Steve...that's a really clever technique there. Sure, I wouldn't mind having the terrain, and it would definitely be put to good use. Thanks! Mike mowenj@mediaone.net