"The cc forum has always been designed for what is listed above in the header and it was beginning to get buried in OT post and not being used for its actual intent. Simple." And if you guys hadn't done away with the OT forums these type discussions would be taking place there. Since you did do away with them, now you have cross over and OT posts everywhere.You thought you were saving yourselves some work and trouble but ultimately caused more work and trouble. "they weren't successful because there were too many members that couldn't and wouldn't have civil discussions without turning it in to a major personal attack on someone else. This caused lots of problems for the mods trying to keep some kind of civil order in there and it turned all their energy into burn out and it got to the point that no one wanted to deal with that forum. " Doesn't stop other sites. They make rules and enforce them. They encourage members to do the same. Or in some cases they just make it wide open and state up front that when you enter the OT forum you do so at your own risk. Either have thick skin or don't enter. Guess that's too rough for such a sensitive place like Rosity :) Too many with thin skin. Problem is if there is no other place to talk OT, the threads will crop up everywhere as is happening now. Something that was predicted by many when C&D was foolishly done away with. No big deal, as you say there are many other forums on the web to talk to your friends, discuss topics, poke fun at Romart, etc :)