Ok - example: The Joan of Arc tutorial is a sort of rite of passage for a lot of 3D Maxers, myself included. You're taught how to model a female figure from scratch, and you're shown exactly where the polys are supposed to go and how they are supposed to be tweaked. So in that respect, any mesh created by following that tut poly for poly would very much not be an original model. I know of at least ONE Joan of Arc tut figure that was sold as an original mesh. Despite the mesh's face looking a lot different, the body is very much the same. So how could this be an original model if it's already been done by someone else, and the recipe is posted on the web ? ~S