Fantastic tutorial, Richard! i was showing kemal this thread, and he told me we have a KPT plug in called Gradiant Lab that can do this. (we only have PSP7 and it doesn't have this gradient filter) it's not as easy to use though. anyway, i have that on my list of things to study and learn this week...inbetween working like a thousand hours this week! LOL! reminds me. i should be in bed! thanks again, Richard! your thread started a discussion about this and now i have another tool to use! hopefully the KPT gradiant lab won't be that difficult once i practice a bit! :)