I have never heard of gmax and I will check it out. I have not tried Truespace either. I thought I had tried Blender long ago but I'm not sure now seeing the site, I'll have to look into that too. Thank you for the suggestions and offer of help. I really apreciate it. I have been using a variety of primatives I made in Anim8tor and made morphable in Poser to build stuff... even clothes, but I am hoping to find a modler that actually makes sense to me. Has anyone tried Oxigen?