I am a drawer, taught anatomy, painting, color theory etc. for many years. Patch modeling sound great but which application for it? I am quite serious about being an utter idiot in 3D... my strong suit is interpreting 3D into 2D. Wings was imossible for me, I did not have the moter control to use it and much of the controls were occult to me. I am right now downloading the trial for Silo... it seems like it might be the best for me hopefully it is the one. If it runs on my system (3.6Mb... wow... I love small coding!) $100 bucks is a lot for me but I am hopefull. Thank you all again... I am glad I made this post.