"sorry the "you guys" comment was directed at the site owners & people running it not the inmates." thats funny, resent evidence suggest that the inmates are running the asylum ATM "I still say a render of a gigantic fairy would be funny" True, but make sure to keep it's hand/head/feet small (I guess thats the direction) to fit into the hands/head/feet ratio. MS: Do you guys really have a hands/head/feet ratio? If you do please share the formula. Not to critize, but I'm just interested in the math behind the human form. I know about head sizes in doing proportions, but hands/feet I'm not sure about. If you feel that it'll cause a fuss here, no prob IM it to me. The most fuss I'll make with it would be going around measuring people's hands and feet. (I'll try not the get arrested in the process. I promise.)