You have a bad attitude, mylemonblue. If some vendor in the Market Place here sells a defective product and requires people to contact them by registered mail to request the snail mailed patch on floppy it's gonna just be me and Tyger_purr here to remind everyone that it isn't the vendor's responsibilty to defray everyones land shipping costs just because he/she was selling a BETA while representing it as a an "official release" product... you know CL was FORCED by us to advertise and launch a product that hadn't been fully tested and debugged, we were the once who MADE them advertise the BETA software as a full and functioning product, and we should defend every vendor here in the right to sell their BETA software as fully functioning and expect us to subsidize their product delivery with our high speed access as well. People should certainly feel guilty if after subsidizing the launch of a product they carp about being left with a substandard unstable BETA rather than the full product.