Hey Casette, I realy respect you. What you say I take seriously. I'll try harder with Jessie. And you know? The default Judy face is absolutly one of the ugliest things I have ever seen in Poser... I just can't imagine what brought it into being, I have no idea what anyone thought it had to do with a human head. Frustration over how hard Judy is to work with has lead me to work primerly with an adult age VickyPT for the most part or the P5 Face Room head on V2. When I want genitals for V2 I use the P5 genitals only character from wertu at Renderotica attached to hip and blended in with post-work. I do use Eve and now Nea alot. I just bought Posette 5 and V3 (I finally caved in) I don't know what I will settle down with... but PT with scaling and breasts makes the best "real woman" for me... good hip bones, great subdural fat distribution... a bit dificult to get subtle older head base. I sure wish I had SP3 but I don't see that ever happening ($$$). But on the basis of your enthusiasm I won't just toss Jessie away... I'll see if I can get her to work for my purposes.