Just have seen this thread and thought as a POV-Ray and POV-Tree user I could contribute. The link to Gena Obukhov's page,author of POV-Tree is: http://propro.ru/go See workshop/tools for the latest version 1.5. The link in Kathye's message points to the previous version 1.4. If anybody should be interested there is an image with lots of POV-Trees in my gallery (palms are not POV-Trees but all others are): http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=914565&Start=1&Artist=gerberc&ByArtist=Yes I didn't try Arboro yet so I can't say which one is better with respect to plygon count, but that isn't an issue with POV-Ray anyway :-) Regards, Christoph