Bobasaur, Left to right: P4 Nude Woman (Posette) Victoria 2 Stephanie 1 Poser 5 Nude woamn (Judy) MayaDoll P6 Nude Woman (Jessie) I wish somone would show me a default pose of Stephanie Petite, I suspect it might be the best model available for realism but I can not aford it. egaeus, sorry, I had that this was a forum for discussing Poser, an aplication for rendering digital images and animations featuring realistic human figures (according to the promotional literature) but I suppose some people think this is no place for a discussion of aesthetics or technical aspects of the application's figures when endless discussions of the TOS is what the forum is realy about ;) I had hoped people would share how they feel the figures look and which figures they find most usefull and fun. That is why the first post had text only so Bondware would accept the upload, I did not want to say anything at all, I wanted to hear what other people had to say about what they like and what works for them. I have thought about the issue of figures... I am glad for the anime figures, I use Sara and Shazam myself, and I don't feel anyone owes me a realistic figure... I post work everything to death anyway, I still use P2 figures since I am going to completly paint over them in the end anyway. But, as an artist (I use that term purely in the professional sense) I do wonder when I think of it, why the standard figures when represented by CL, Metacreations, whoever, as "realistic" diverge so far from any human figures I have seen in years of professional work, study, and visits to the beach... A lot of money is involved so one would think photos and anatamy books (and even live figure models) would be consulted, so the only conclussion left is that the figures represent an artistic or commercialy driven choice. What is peculier is that although the male figures are certainly idealized, they do not seem to me to be to the same extent stylized. I am happy with and use all the figure I can download or buy (Jessie not yet though I bought the face pack) but I am curious about how they come to be and what people think of them. I am not being nasty when isay I would love to see a picture of someone just resembling jessie, only curious. Realy. I apreciate all the work all the artist who have made these figures have put into them, and each has a use, but personaly I am curious about the thinkig behind the standard figures. I also apreciate those who have posted in this thread, though I had hoped to hear more opininions... And aeilkema, don't follow threads you don't like if that causes you pain... it should have been evident from the first post what the thread was about, why torture yourself by scrolling down? I would have skipped your post but it made it through my filter LOL