Looks like we cross-posted again. Hey, if you're a developer, then I'm happy to accept your definitions of bug verus limitation. :-) Either way, we have got to work around it, and I think we're making good progress. Ahd yep, in the last 2 days or so, I've learned a lot (from this thread alone), too. I'm really looking forward to turning all this into a real render! Thanks guys for helping to keep this subject alive.