kuroyume0161 is making a solid argument. Either a great model can NOT be created within the current Poser, OR everyone who has attempted it is not very accomplished. That's the harsh fact. His pitch about the wide open moment for Daz with (one would have to imagine) great talent on board not producing something insanely great is hard to counter. And EK your fact is correct (the ease of clothing making); there is a market both for the application and the merchants. It is quite possible that market and system would NOT appreciate, welcome or invest in a new, advanced Poser. But...is that the end? We get Firefly, procedural materials, IBL/AO, but the rigging and animation tools are at a final, dead end? I agree with dlfurman...Poser is up against a barrier and without a new rigging system, of which it was pointed out in post 5 above there are many many examples, Poser can't mature. ::::: Opera :::::