@momodot: I completely agree, the more refined the default shape, the harder it is to change it. And the more complicated the setup, the easier the mesh is going to break. Also if you do more radical changes, you most likely will have to change joint parameters, and/or create erc morphs to compensate deformations. (Two things I still have to learn) So to me at the moment NEA and V2 are the most versatile, too, thats why I prefer to use them. Thanks to adavyss Injection NEA I also can work with three or four NEA meshes at the same time without my lowly computer choking. :-) stahlratte