OK, I'm taking the easy way out here. I have a program that has cataloged the hundreds of backups that I've made in the last 7 (count 'em!) 7 years. And here is what I find ... The earliest date that I have that the name DAZ shows up (searching for any folder or file name) is January 11, 2001. It looks like before that, orders I placed may have come from Zygote because any references I have to order numbers start with a Z. So maybe around the beginning of 2001 for the Zygote-DAZ split? My first purchase with Zygote was in July 2000, and I've spent a fortune since then! So the split was definitely sometime between July 2000 and January 2001. That narrows it down somewhat. Now, for characters: The earliest dates I have for the various CR2's are as follows: Michael 1 - 9/9/2000 Michael 2 - 12/20/2001 Michael 3 - Sept/Oct 2003 Victoria 1 - I purchased her long after release, in July 2000 so I can't give you an accurate date there Victoria 2 - 5/10/2001 for cr2 Victoria 3 - 12/20/2002 for exe Stephanie - 3/12/2002 for cr2 Stephanie Petite - around Christmas 2003 if I recall Millenium baby - 2/21/2002 for the exe Millenium boys - earliest date I show is 11/19/2001 Millenium girls - earliest date I show is 10/27/2001 Those are for starters! LOL