This is true, and that is why I bought Lightwave, C4D, Truespace 4, and Hash, to name a few, and I am waiting impatiently for my Poser Pro pack that I ordered this morning. I'm just saying don't make people who can't afford to pick up these programs feel bad by coming in and showing pics from Lightwave. I want to see some stuff that you've done in Lightwave, then I'll be more impressed. 8^) Marque