Okay, 1) madmax_br5, firstly what the doobryfirkin is a zenith light? secondly I now understand that it should be positioned UNDER the dog (thanks to Dann-0 for that) Id had it above the dog, so no wonder nothing was happening. Thirdly I see that your light is squashed under that ball, I can see that that would help to make objects appear to be sitting on the surface my doggy still doesnt look right even though I now have a pool of shadow under him, his feet dont look like they are touching the surface. Will I need 4 neg lights one to sit squashed under each foot? Boy, I really hope shadows work better in B5.5! this is terribly labourious! 2) Shilo, Unfortunately although I did try your website you dont appear to be all there. ggg 3) Dann-0, thanks for the tips, I do seem to be getting a little bit closer to real shadows. 4) tjohn, ambience on archlining... right.... trying that.......... er, I just checked, the ambience is already down to 8.4. 5) Rayraz, yeah, UNDER the dog, durrrr! I hadnt realised before well... no one said. (feeling really stupid) 6) LSD, Aye, there would never be a reason to use a Negative boolean spot for a light fixture, but I can see how you got to that point, Fran. Pure dumbness on my part Im afraid. (sigh) Did you get shadows to appear yet? There may be something else going on, perhaps they are turned OFF for the doggy? Yes, thanks to Dann-0 and Rayraz, now that Ive moved the light to sit UNDER the doggy, I do have shadows... not very good ones and his feet still look like they are hovering above the floor despite being positioned directly ON the floor ( Ive checked and checked , very closely) No they are NOT turned off for the doggy we went into all that the last time round, when I first asked about this. Floors?........ WOAH! Smokin!!!!! Oh LSD, you are KING! It was the ratty floors, the FLOORS!!!! Not set to receive shadows! Oh LSD, I want to have your... er no I dont, got enough kids. Phew, of course now the doggy is in a dark miasma of evil... but I can fix that. And negative lights ARE interesting, now that I know how they work, thanks to Dann-0, Rayraz, xenic, oh and just everybody if I havent mentioned you when you helped me, its only cos Ive got a brain the size of a pea.... Fran

Measure your mind's height
by the shade it casts.
Robert Browning (Paracelsus)

Forum: Bryce

Subject: Negative Lights and Shadows?