I think you might want to look at the Character Animation in Lightwave 6 too Fox. It'll blow your bangs back. 8^) I have the other hair plugin for Lightwave, got it with the lip sync program I picked up,it's called Shave and a Haircut. If I remember correctly you can create objects with it and bring them into Poser. I'm busy with a project right now, but as soon as it's out the door I'm going to get busy with the Lightwave and start paying back renderosity for all the stuffage I've downloaded from freestuff....lol I can't wait to see what you do with Lightwave Fox, you'll be ahead of me so expect LOTS of questions! Marque