Attached Link: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=18696

I'm sorry to bring this up, but please don't buy into this line in the advertisment..... [quote][b]New in version 5.5! Dramatic Render Speed Increase: Render your favorites scenes over 30% faster on average with no image quality loss at all! [/b][/quote] This is simply not true even Skondris his own renderings do prove that the claim isn't true at all. Only one one of the scenes shown is really faster, the others don't even come close to the 30%. DAZ should be much more honest about this so called dramatic render speed increase, it's another one of DAZ's hypes..... for some reason most of Skondris scenes do not show the 30% increase (only about 10%) and a number of users are already complaining about no render speed improvement at all. How can DAZ even dare to make the claims if the figures prove them wrong? DAZ just lost a cumstomer for good. This has been the last time I've bought anything at DAZ. I'm really wondering why DAZ is even asking money for this upgrade and what in the world they've been doing to Bryce all this time. It for sure didn't bring the promised results. So, if you don't use D/S or OpenGL, you can save yourself a lot of money by sticking to Bryce 5 and just wait for Bryce 6 to arrive. I will not be waiting for it, I just can't take another DAZ hype.

And, you just couldn't post at any of the other dozen threads already discussing this? I know, I know...its always more satisfying to stake a new claim than play follow the leader. Uhm, render speeds...now, I'm going to try and promise not to get too far entangled into this....but, here we go...one time, from me. Obviously, there are problems cropping up with comparisive render speeds. And, I don't want you to think I'm an outright liar, but so far I have either the same render times, or faster (B5 vs. B5.5). I haven't run into slower render times with B5.5 Not to say others haven't. There are MANY types of scenes out there with MANY types of computers configurations out there. Btw, I've had some scenes that rendered out nearly 50% faster. I'm thinking this may all have to do with scene types and computer types. I'm quite sure DAZ is on top of it, they have proved to me to always be so in the past. (my 2 cents) AgentSmith

Well at the moment DAZ is just making up some excuses why it's not rendering faster at all. I'm not saying people do not experiencing faster render speeds at all, but it seems like a lot of them don't. http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=18758 http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=18757 [i]"What this means for you, as a user, is that while some of your scenes will see dramatic reductions in render times, others may have less dramatic results. In addition, many of the hardware efficiencies introduced have varying impact from manufacturer to manufacturer. A computer system that is multi-threaded, using Intel processors, for example, is more likely to have faster renders than a similar system running on a single AMD processor."[/i] I call that making up excuses for not delivering a promise.... All I'm trying to say is that DAZ should take away the Dramatic Render Speed Increase, because it's simply not true for a lot of users. DAZ just couldn't deliver on this one, so they should be honest about it. Not blaming AMD for it. Let's face it, most of us don't own a multi-threaded cpu, but are stuck with a single AMD processor. It seems more like a case of luck.... if you've got the perfect pc you're lucky if not, to bad for you. If something is faster the it really is faster, not only for a few, but for all. If DAZ has implemented Dramatic Render Speed Increase for real, then all of us should experience it, not just some. I'm not sure if DAZ is on top of this one, they noticed a month ago that some scenes didn't see an improved redering speed at all, but now it turns out that it's not just some, but many. Perhaps DAZ is suffering from the same illness that seems to hunt Curious Labs..... impotent testers. Let's be real, if DAZ really had good testers, this thing would have gotten noticed. Unless DAZ has chosen to just present an outright lie to us. At the moment I'm believing the latter. I can't believe no one noticed that with a lot of scenes there hardly is render speed increase, but even a huge decrease.

DAZ had great testers, I was one of them, btw, lol. But/and, if DAZ had screwed up, I would honestly say something here. And, I know of no conspiracies. "they noticed a month ago that some scenes didn't see an improved redering speed at all" Yup, true. And, when that happened they went back to the code and got the beta testers new versions. (within days) Actually, I use a single AMD PC/Nvidia card. Maybe that's the deal, I'm not sure. Again, I am sure DAZ is on top of this. Truly with the release of ANY new program, it is going to have more real world testing than any beta test team can do, the amount of various PC configurations is staggering compared to what any beta test team can run through the mill. AgentSmith

as with AS, if I believed DAZ was doing something they shouldnt, I'd be right on the top of the pile of people complaining--adding my .02 to theirs. DAZ has for the last year shown me that they are interested in providing quality to the people who buy from them. If I didnt believe that, I'd say so too. I dont pull punches with anyone that messes with Bryce :) I will agree that the the early hype should have been held back until the end to see what exactly happened and then came out with the end results. But I'm no marketer so I wouldnt begin to debate such. I too have seen both super decreased render times and with some scenes, slightly increased between 5.01 and 5.5. I could speculate on what it is, but without even more tests on my part I cant isolate it. If I (or anyone) could, DAZ would be on it in seconds. I truly believe that. I still support DAZ and their direction with bryce and am thrilled with their dedication to this app thus far. Don't forget that AS and I have seen things behind the scenes. They are doing an outstanding job with our baby. In time, I think they will deliver on many of the things we have always wanted. and, never forget..there is that money-back guarantee that is there for those who just can't/don't appreaciate the new things in B5.5 my .02 BT

But, as a side note to this back and forth; I'm not trying to put a lid on complaints. Any new program is going to have'em, so post away (anyone), and (be sure to) let DAZ know what's up. We actually have a company that answers back now...so, let'em know what's up! AS

"This is simply not true even Skondris his own renderings do prove that the claim isn't true at all. Only one one of the scenes shown is really faster, the others don't even come close to the 30%."

The "over 30%" improvement claim is given as an average of results. It is true that three out of the four renders SKondris used as examples didn't come close to 30% faster (one was slower), but the other one was stunningly faster than 30%.

Indeed, when you add up the times SKondris provides in his examples in your link, you find that the total Bryce5.01 time for the four scenes was 6280 seconds, whereas the Bryce5.5 times added up to 2753 seconds. I'm not going to bother working out what percentage that is, but you should be able to tell instantly that it is way over twice as fast - on average.

SKondris's examples in your link demonstrate an improvement better than the claim...

I have seen Dramatic Decreases in some scenes and just a little in others and in 2 scenes I saw a slight Increase... I had 1500 2d Trees and 30 3D Bryce trees in my scene and I had a slight Decrease and each 2D tree had a Texture of 1000x1000 and the Grass that I used was hitting 1 Million Polys+ and I had Soft Shadows set and it rendered slower by 3 minutes... Now try doing that in 5.01 and see what happens... And yes they do have the NO QUESTIONS ASKED POLICY on returns...

It would be impossible for Daz, or any desk top application vendor, to test all environmental variables. The multiple combinations of CPU, RAM, Graphics Card, 3D Accelerator...impossible. So there will ALWAYS be those who see the improvement they claim and there will ALWAYS be those whose results are not as dramatic. As usual it comes down to your own rig. As I am traveling, again, I haven't had time to try it on my home PC...but truth be told if it goes faster for me then I'm not worried about those for whom the improvement isn't there.