Well lets see, I have the Carrara trial...havent really played with it, but after getting the bryce upgrade and after seventeen crashes, Im rather perturbed. 5 never crashed on me, and now, every time I try to import a plant or something, whammy. Not happy with this at all. The renders, I think look like crap. Maybe that is just me but everything comes in so dark..forget about importing Jessie...she doesnt even look like a person. sighs Perhaps I should just keep using five. I think I want me money back. The extra stuff is great, but...what is with the crashes? Now Carrera, gonna look into that again...