Watch out for snake bites! Still sounds like it might be out of my reach. The price of the propack may not sound like much for some, but it is a very major investment for me, as it a good part of my monthly income. (Being retired and on a fixed income sucks sometimes) Might have to wait to my investments come in. I have invested with Billy Roy "Bubba Da" Leroy. He put my money to work in Lotto tickets. butch