lol well I should have known. Thanks, but I still don't think it's worth it (starving college student budget and all that). As for the pov thing, I noticed when I was using Bryce for video game graphics that if you changed the aspect ratio of the window, the pov would zoom out. This was not caused by the window changing size, for instance the top and bottom of the pic moving, and so you can see more of the image there; the pov actually zoomed out. This was especially noticeable when you went from default to a very small square (say 50x50 pixels--which I did all the time for vg's). Cheers