sigh First, to Carroly: EXCELLENT description! Where were you when I was trying to explain things on a project a few years ago? You'd make a great Systems's Rep. Second, waiting: Everything I've seen shows that the P6 release is going a LOT better than the P5 fiasco. However, I ain't putting my money down until they fix the memory bug and someone, somewhere, sells body morphs for James. From a programming viewpoint, it takes at least a month to even test a major service release, let alone do the actual investigation and coding. I wouldn't expect a service release for at least a few more weeks. Of course, the way my life goes, it'll be released and perfect the day after I leave for Indiana for two weeks. That's at the end of the month.