Ok, I will do that. Is is ok for me to copy your post on the different lighting so I can email it to my friend so he will know exactly what to do on the lights? I think he would understand you more then me if I try to explain. I had another friend who had made some pregnant posers, she was not able to do the clothes so I am giving that a try, but the rest of the work on the poser is hers. Just for practice. I also thought about taking a sheet and throwing it over a chair and trying that. You really have to think about the lights when doing the shadows. I didn't know that but it sure makes a big difference. In the cuff of the hand that is holding the staff, I think I messed up there, but it is easy to correct as it is still all in layers. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate all your help. I hope that the next time I post I will have gotten further along on my own, by remembering what you have taught me. Thanks again Lamb