hauksdottir: valid points indeed. But aren't the, excuse the expression, assholes an acceptable/detrimental aspect of a free speech society? While I understand that if the Mods aren't careful, there are those who can turn a civilized discussion into a vicious rant, but is the answer to not have the conversation at all? I don't know about you, but in the real world I don't let anyone tell me what I can and can't talk about. I'm not a child and the idea of being treated like one can be unsettling, if not flat out offensive. And I've been in forums where Mods have flat out said 'Shut up' or 'Enough'. (Only once was that actually directed at me and I gotta be honest, if we'd been standing on a street corner right here in ol' New York I'd've responded 'Or what?' Of course all I had available to me was a quick PM to the offender...) I'm just saying it's a hard line to walk. How do you give people the right to talk and then tell them what they can talk about? And sadly, I haven't had the opportunity to use James. P6 is still waiting to be installed. But next week, I get the new laptop and I'll be a-rendering again! YIPEEEEE! kmw