One word for these types: EGO Correction: Ego with stolen software. :) I yawn and move on. I used to be that way. I used to think I had to model every single thing in a scene. Then I grew up and wanted to make some money. :) I also realized that I couldn't model organic objects as well as what were available in Poser. Very few people are good at everything. Those individuals are few and far between. What good is an untextured model? Big woop. My 2 cents, Joe