dlfurman; Why not? Poser's days as just an artist's Woody on a CRT are long gone; they vanished when P4 came out, with transparency and the animation support it had. The number of people who actually create a scene -just- as a reference piece to take into Photoshop or Painter and create 'real art' are actually pretty few and far between. The dynamic cloth and hair add to the incentive to experiment; I wasn't overly interested in animation myself until I saw what Phoul could do with P4 and Vue 4. Several people have been attracted to the animation pallette by the requirements of the dynamic props. Like kuroyume said; improvements in the rigging would benefit everyone (I certainly wouldn't miss the mesh breaks), and if the app can turn out better animations than before, then it will be that much more likely to be used. Everyone knows the tightrope that CL is actually trying to walk; ease of use for newbies, and enough meat for a pro to sink their teeth into. Lights, cloth, and hair have all been addressed; the only subsystem that has been fundamentally unchanged is the animation setup. If we can have our cake and eat it too, lets.