The mad modellers model their own creations? Thats nothing! Everytime I want to make an image I start from the very very beginning. First, I solder together some homemade computer parts with my own homemade tools, and then I code my very own original proprietary 3D modelling program. This can be difficult, as I have to invent a new code every time, using symbols of my own devising. I intentionally make this program difficult to use, so that it by no means gives me an edge. At this point I can begin modelling. But i'm no slacker.....I refuse to model anything that is derivative. I allow myself no influences whatsoever. Only then have I created my art. So, call me a stickler. But seriously, some Poser turd who throws together some canned models, canned poses, canned textures, etc. without a hint of care or understanding regarding color, composition, lighting, etc. isn't likely to produce anything of note, any more than some Lightwaver or Mayan who ham-handedly cobbles together some polygons into the shape of yet another ubiquitous spaceship will be recognized for AliasNewtek's Modeller of the Year. You can have some wonderful commercial components of a Poser scene that, when used without artfulness, will look like unmitigated crap. The same goes for "Mad/Silly" modellers who have no sense of form or style. But sometimes people get lucky. I would think a Lightwaver who buys a bunch of models from Turbosquid, and composes and renders them in Lightwave Layout is subject to the same criticism as the equally-skilled Poser user. And yet Poser users continue to get the bad rap. I like, NO,... I love Lightwave. I enjoy making my own models. But that doesn't and could never negate my respect for people who can use Poser adroitly, revealing aspects my provincial brain might never have conceived. In other words: Those Japanese Zen gardens are beautifully landscaped. Do you think the Japanese make all the sand and rock by hand?