Trouble with Corel was not that they didn't make good software with Bryce5 (both Metaballs and trees answered a lot of the then-problems with Bryce), the trouble is that they didn't realize what Bryce is. Bryce is a very inexpensive graphics renderer with a fair amount of power--emphasis on very inexpensive. All throughout its history Bryce has been cheap (at least as far as I remember), and then Corel comes along and quintouples the price without adding much, and then expects everyone to pay it? Not happening... I waited until DAZ bought it. I pity the poor soul that paid, what was the upgrade price from Corel? $300? More? The improvements from 4 to 5 were worth about $100, and that was stretching it. So I agree the trouble is mainly with Marketing and they almost killed the franchise. Hopefully DAZ will learn from Corel's mistakes and keep the pricing for Bryce really really low... Just my $.02