So, guys... go out and WRITE your own damned "professional" program if you can do it better, cheaper, in a fraction of the time it takes to arrange a bucket of daisies. Isn't that what they are doing at DAZ? How many YEARS (3+?), and how many programmers and how much has gotten farmed out overseas to other houses... and it still is in beta? And it still only does part of what Poser does? It has a "professional" Lightwave-styled interface, so you should be happy. If you aren't, just write your own app. That simple. Fresh start, no legacy code to worry about... you can probably get something ready for market in a few months. In the time you spend complaining and waiting for somebody else to fix the leaky roof, you could build a new house... with modern appliances... right? Right. I'll see you at Christmas. Carolly