You know,I was just looking at the manual again, and alot now seems much clearer than before. The lasst time I had a look in it, it seemed pretty bad, but now that I've had to learn much of it on my own, often by accident, the manual actually makes sense here and there. I don't really understand the instructions for creating new "weaves", or "nozzles", and the info on creating image maps for web pages seems pretty sketchy...well there's alot that's sketchy, actually, LOL. Ah, maybe one day we Painters will have our day in the sun. :)