I'm not defensive... and I'm not the one complaining that it isn't a $20K program with a drafting interface. You have the choice to use a "professional" application... so why don't you model and rig your figures in it? Wouldn't that be less frustrating than complaining? I've used Poser since version 2... there's a half dozen boxes on the shelves behind me. I sold 3DStudio and transferred the license because it was shit. I don't sit and complain about 3DS... I dumped it and use a suite of programs which give me the images I need. "A man's reach must exceed his grasp, or what is a heaven for?" Most people forget that those lines are from a poem called Lucifer... and hell is wanting what you can't have. Why don't you complain to the Lightwave people that their rigging is too difficult or they lack free content? While you bemoan the shortcomings of these programs, I'll enjoy getting a handle on the new lights and rendering abilities in this one. BTW, I started in the games industry back when CGA was the norm. You might remember 4 color art and building with bricks? People are spoiled now!!! Carolly