"As for the OT forums, It would be nice to have one I agree but we have tried it three times and they all end up the same. So it was decided that no other one will be opened." Perhaps the reason none worked is because none of the input or advice from so many now, has been taken seriously and it is felt there is no real need for one, again, it's not being taken serious that artists do need a place to just be.. And there were actually 'four' forums really, although for some reason this place wants to forget the most popular of em all; because I hear the best one and worst one was that infamous 'Complaint and Debate' Forum that truly started it all and probably also dragged a lot of members here that got to know one another and as well became friends as well as bitter enemies through debates and daily whippings and yappings. As for the tavern, it really only ended up like an OT place because the others were taken away, something like is what's happening now, more and more, in this Community Forum, since members are confused as to just where to post stuff more general or personal. History..been here long enough now to have heard about it all. Gotta ask questions around here when there's such determination to squish the common logic that most members are asking for and would really like to have some place to mingle.. I think it won't be long before this here Community Forum gets close to disappearing too, you'll see that before another OT.. So, where?...and what's next when this Community Forum gets closed down too? Sign Language amongst the members in the gallery?