hi les, Thanks for the correction. I did mean .lt2 of course. I didn't think about it turning off spots. The lights I'm using are all spots, each with a unique name, and parented to a figure. But because of the unique name, they're not affected. But my default doc has 3 infinite lights (I use it for checking product defects), and they were being switched off, which is why I was trying to put a stop to that. Anyway, thanks for the reminder about the pz2 option. Normally, I use pz2s to change lights. It's just that for this project, I have to make normal light sets too, so I'm in the .lt2 department for a change. mac