lol I don't own "brycetech.com" any more...DAZ bought it just after they bought bryce. See, I was thinking about shutting the site down and since it had so many tutorials, DAZ wanted to keep it alive as a knowledge base for Brycers...sooo...they bought it :) they are supposed to be making a new entry page for it with the release of b5.5. Not sure why it hasnt been done yet... oh..bryce purists are people who only use bryce for their render..that means the textures, the models...everything is 100% bryce. I think that probably bill munns was the hardest core because he actually rendered the images he used as textures in bryce before he'd apply them as textures. Others woulda just make the map in photoshop or similar. debbie changed over time, her last picture actually had a lot of poser models and imports...true purists dont do that. but, purists are a dying (or perhaps extinct) breed :) BT