Thank you scott thats terrible news since most of the files ive downloaded from 3d cc are like that but glad we found out now i have poser standard on another computer ill have to just use them on that one rather than pp i appreciate you helping me out i think ill just stick to trying to model characters in lw I think alot of people will be disapointed cause some of the figures put together that way are some of the most popular especially wyrms blade woman! These are the sites that the figs that do that come from if you want to try and mess with more for the hell of it witches wyrmms bbay morph world, 3dcc and one was from props guild. its to bad because all of them are excellent looking in poser 4 to bad they dont stay together! excellent work scott