Good morning, ya'll ;-) SndCastie - I was THERE when the tavern closed, I know kev pretty damned well, I threw 'bear's leaving party and t-shirt do, and bet your ass I'm confirming what he says. There are still some old timers around who lurk enough to remember. As for artist; Being the elitist, arrogant snob I am waves to dialyn, I feel that the concept of artist is someone who expresses something through a medium, and that that someone is willing to grow with his or her art, and working on improving it. Which is why I have a massive issue with Rendo currently touting itself as an artist community, since growing and improving also involve a great deal of being able to see errors and receive criticism. Or being inspired by whichever mood (or flame) takes you, including the negative ones. dialyn - I don't call myself an artist either - dilettante has always been my preferred phrase, cause I dabble, and I'm lazy in my expressions. However - It's getting rather tedious to have to read anything construed as critique against rendo as flamewars and stamping of feet; THAT is not very constructive either, because basially you're patronising a bunch of people, telling them what they're saying hasn't much value. As for originality and imagination - how far can you get with 10 coats of pink spraypaint and the Disney colour charts ? That DOES tend to stretch both originality and imagination but then again, what would I know compared to such luminaries of imagery such as you ? ~S