I know Jeff. But there's something in the PP that's not able to deal with figure's being put together like this. I couldn't find the missing geometry in the poser files anywhere. So the only other place that they could be is in the rsr's. So this would explain why they would work in the standard Poser program. But not work in the PP version. But I'm not sure if that's the entire reason. There's all kinds of strange stuff in them that shouldn't be there. Kind of like someone went crazy with the grouping tool and didn't realize that that puts the geometry in the cr2 file. What he needs to do is open these figure's in the Non-ProPack version. Export all the morphs. And save the conformed stuff separately. Then apply them to the figure's in the ProPack version. That will get rid of all the un-neccessary custom geometry. And work directly with the standard .obj. ScottA