Tell KERNAL that he's got some impressive 3d images there! The lighting and textures are TOP NOTCH! Love the reflection maps on the clock! Oh no...3d lingo...I'm being pulled to the OTHER side...Must load Cinema 4d... Seriously... as I dabble in 3d myself a bit, I know first hand what goes into making these rendered images! Its ALOT of Work and patience. Sheila's ABSOLUTELY right about 3d and photography! 3d artists STRIVE for REALISM and use photos to get REAL WORLD textures and images to base their work on! Also many 3d apps have "virtual cameras" that can be placed anywhere in a scene! Having photography knowledge really can help when creating images with depth of field and whatnot! Diffent camera setting affect the look of the image! Hey Sheila... Kernal should get some kinda of discount on the next upgrade of SILO...maybe even get it for FREE or something! They ARE using his images for advertising! L8r! Joe