"Hi Ironbear, Just wanted to point out that you are exactly right regarding the Tavern. It was a pretty calm, cool place to be. The reason it got closed was not because of the same reasons as the Den and OT forums but because we knew that it would turn into the same type of place before long. Since we were doing away with OT forums, we just closed the Tavern at the same time." - StaceyG

And... > "Yes Ironbear I appologize for the misunderstanding on the VT I had included only because it was shut down at the same time as the OT forum." - SandCastie

Accepted, and no probs. ;) And I know I'm "exactly right" - I was there. But do keep the record straight, please. There were exactly three "fights" in the VT in all the years it was open. All three shut down fast by the regulars, or by me. Even when the closing of C&D casued an influx of new regulars, it generated a bit of passionate discussion, but no flamewars. Only major fight that happened there was betweeen me and Spike over a thread deletion, and THAT fight happened mostly behind the curtains between me, him, and Tammy in mods forum. ;] KBennet was one of your best mods here for a long time. He not only did a real damned good job of managing the VT and keeping it a decent place to hang out, he was my handpicked replacement when I quit. I don't particularly give a damn on my part whatever revisionist history you care to spin on forum closings. Water off my back, as long as you don't pee down it and try to tell me it's raining. ;) But Kevin doesn't deserve that implied slam from you, Sandie, and he definately doesn't rate it from a late-comer, Stacey. He might not call it, but I will. We return you now to your regular argument, already in progress. Over to you, Spinner. ;]

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