I couldnt agree with you more pushed to the limits you cant tell the difference between Poser and Maya. But do a search Poser jobs then Maya jobs. The results speak for them selves. As far as getting a job doing animation for someone else, I dont care. I dont have a need to make an outstanding demo reel where I have spent over an hour or more on each frame. The problem with Poser is that one can make a very mediocre reel and send it out. For the person who is sending it to studios, it looks like the best they ever seen; to the poor slob that has to look at hundreds of demo reels looking for that one person that is simply amazing, they see anything that even looks like it was done in Poser and they pull the tape and go to the next. (I cant prove this, but it my strong suspicion) Dale