thanks guys ... I get this is safari "Too many redirects occurred trying to open https://secure.e-onsoftware.com/Support/Forum/. This might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another page which then is redirected to open the original page." And something similar in explorer or netscape... I think its busy... but I've treid it a couple of times each day for these past 3 / 4 days.... I gather you don't connect there much .. ? Jay it's working for you? fjv