Tom, i'm soooooo glad you posted this 'cause i sure have learned a lot!!!! It's a beautiful photo in either b/w or color, BTW!!! Richard, You taking the time to explain how you convert to b/w has helped me immensely!!!! I'm excited to have this information! what i've been doing to convert to b/w when i use PSP is just to put my saturation all the way down on -100. i'm gonna have lots of fun experimenting and playing with images in b/w now!!!!! thanks! :)