With new programs comes new problems. And at last I have something new to explore. I was getting bored ;-). I've narrowed down the culprit. But I can't figure out an easy fix yet. The problem is with figure's that contain custom geometry in the cr2 files. With poser3&4: Any time you use the grouping tool to say do something like select a part of the figure to assign a new material to them. It puts custom geometry into the cr2 file instead of reading the .rsr for the imformation. The ProPack got rid of the .rsr files and reads the .obj file every time now. And this seems to be causing a fight between the info in the cr2 files and the .obj file info. Something that I think also plays a part in all of this is the fact that when you use the grouping tool with the ProPack. It doesn't put the geometry into the cr2. It creates a new .obj file. But instead of creating them in the geometries folder. it gets created in the libraries folder where the cr2 file is. I'm still searching. And I could use some help from my fellow techs on this. I'm close. But just can't quite nail it. Or a fix for it. I'm not a big fan of combining figure's. So anyone who does that on a regular basis may be able to find a fix easier than me. I'm still investigating. I know what's going on. I just need to figure out how to transfer the old figure's with custom geometry. To new figure's using outside geometry calls using the ProPack. And do it fairly easily. ScottA