Gee, see what happens if you leave a thread alone a few days ? Anyway - I find it pretty interesting that any crits against rendo these days will get parked into some sort of cheese and whine category - 'specially when the initial post pointed out a discrepancy and an erroneous definition. I've never argued ToS at rendo. (much) However, there is a inconsistency between marketing/profiling and what actually goes on in the galleries, and since I am one of those people who actually gives a shit about stuff like that, I wanted to have a debate on it. I do a lot of graphics work when I am not doiung consulting work, and I usually freelance on the side. I've stopped using rendo as a portfolio. It's too fucking embarrassing when people start smiling when I say I have some imgs up at rendo. And then I get the questions about the nicey nicey fora and digs about the current tit-parade. Hence, I give a shit - This is the first place apart from my own webpages I ever posted images, and to me it's a snapshot of how bad a dilettante I was when I first started out, and whtat's improved. Some of those tips and tricks and improved images have been a direct result of hefty forum debacles - good and bad. I miss that. I also feel that if people want to flame, let them. The ToS does NOT guarantee you a right to be perpetually inoffended. the ToS as it is now, basically safeguards the mods from having to step in. Easy solution: One gloves off forum. ALL other sites bar Bondware and Daz have one. The VT became a ghost town because people who were interested had left. Jmahoney and I migrated to 3DA, which now is XFX. (John died August last year, so he's not around anymore) Pearce and Jumpy played elsewhere. Cambert got fed up and left. did Hiram As did probably most of the regulars who got fed up with site hypocrisy and ToS of the day. On a different note: It's very nice to see that Stacy is enough of a professional to concur with anyone who takes rendo's side when taking a dig at fellow posters. THAT'S what a PRO community admin is ALL about ! Fuzzies and huggles to you, hon ! dialyn - I don't have a beef with you. I admire how, after all this time, you still stick to your guns and convictions, despite the barrage of BS and abuse that usually gets you. Respect. SndCastie - you're pretty... well-intentioned, aren't you ? I think there was a Dilbert strip once about good intentions and backbones. May wanna look it up. ~S