I totally agree with Timberwolf. I'm still mourning the loss of my render 8( If all I wanted to do was render backgrounds I would have no complaints. If I want to do any type of model work I'm up the creek without a paddle.It's getting dark...the storm clouds are rolling in. I think to myself as I sit there, lonely, scared, and cold...now would be a good time to have a 12 year old bottle of scotch. Hehe if I can't be creative with my Poser, at least I have this forum and it's not broken.