Punt, I do understand that you don't need all those versions. (but it's goo that you pointed that out, since that was not my intended messages.) The point I was making, was that purchasing ANY of them, except the new vue5 infinite, would have lead to very quick "planned obsolecence" because of the newer versions. Yes they would still do what you wanted them original to do, seeing that many versions released in only 2 years time (wasn't vue 4 released around the holiday season 2003 or so?) Plus every time a newer version is released, the older versions drop in price. Granted, that's a fact of life in the PC world, but NOT that many versions in so short a timeframe! If you average them, that's a new major version every 4-5 MONTHS! (6 main versions over 28 total months total guesstimate) Ajax: I expected vue would render faster doing the same type of scene, but for one of those really cool infinite scenes, how long are we looking at for rendertime, say, for a large desktop image, say 1280x1024? I know how bad lightwave gets in similar situations, and I also know how impatient most poser users get with render times. Coming from commercial apps, longer rendertimes are always expected, but I've yet to see any render times for any of the really lush infinite scenes I've seen. (Granted I don't really peruse the vue forums, so I'm quite out of touch.) And just for the record, I'm not dissing Vue's abilities at all..they are making some amazing things available in the 3D world creation market. But Eon's marketing strategies are what I'm questioning. (That said, I just got lightwave 8.3.... 3 new updates, with fixes and new features over the course of the last year, and there was no cost involved at all.. all those updates were free.)

Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.